The role friendship plays for you...

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My question to other Aquarius Moons here.

Could having a partner and work colleagues be enough for you, or would you always seek a community of friends outside that?

And how would you define true friendship, anyway?
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  • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

    Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:28 AM
    i'm always seeking out new and interesting people to befriend but i seem to be rather particular about the people that i keep as part of my "inner-circle." i define true friendship as a person you can trust and who would go out of their way to help you out in times of need without neccessarily even having to ask ( i hate asking for help ). i also find that when you find a true friend there is a connection there that is difficult to define and also quite rare.
    • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

      Mon, March 31, 2008 - 1:15 PM
      I hate asking for help, too. I wonder if that's to do with Aquarian independence?

      I have a similar idea of what a true friiend is: someone who's there for you when you need them. It's hard for moon aquarians to admit they "need" people in the first place. So for me, at least, if I can get to the point where I feel comfortable "needing" someone, then I consider them a good friend.

      Throughout my life, I've almost always felt like the "third wheel" friend to a set of two best friends. It wasn't until I went to college that I found a really, really close friend--someone who I could accurately call a "best friend." We're still best friends, even though he now lives thousands of miles away in Taiwan. But that's kind of an aquarian type friendship in and of itself--a long-distance friendship! ;)

      Also, I've always felt more comfortable hanging out in a group of at least three people than with someone one-on-one (except maybe for Barry, the friend who lives in Taiwan, my sister, or my boyfriend). I think that seems like an Aquarian thing. I don't especially love LARGE group gatherings, though, but maybe that's my Virgo rising?

      I've lived in Knoxville for almost 3 years now, and many of the people I call friends, even after 3 years of knowing them, I don't feel especially close to them. Which kind of sucks... but it's just hard for me to get close to people.
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        Re: The role friendship plays for you...

        Tue, April 1, 2008 - 12:33 AM
        'I have a similar idea of what a true friiend is: someone who's there for you when you need them. It's hard for moon aquarians to admit they "need" people in the first place.'

        I can relate to that. And not wanting to ask for help too. I cannot think of anything worse than being thought of as needy. At the same time, however, I deplore the lack of comunity I see aound me, in principle I see no reason why it should not be possible to reach out to other people and made to feel weak for that. I do think that the dog-eat-dogness of the kind of society we have in the Western world can be very atomised and selfish and it is interesting that the people I do find more friendly hre are in Christain organisations - though I could never now be that now and all he conforming that would entail. Swings and roundabouts I suppose - there is independence in atomised soieties but loneliness oo, or close-knit communities where you have to oe the line and give up a great deal in terms of personal space and autonomy in order to be aprt of i and accepted.

        I am always looking to find people on a similar wavelenght, something beyond shopping and soap operas, but there is not that sort of alternative community around here, which is why it can be hard to get away from cyber communities there days. But I also do feel that a true friend ought to be 'there' for you in difficult times too, rather than being a fair-weather friend.
  • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

    Tue, April 1, 2008 - 11:25 AM
    By Nexus7: "And how would you define true friendship anyway?"

    I have high standards in my closest friendships. Sure, I want to be around people that are intelligent, are real, have a great sense of humor and are "there" for me, but the worst thing a friend could do to me would be to betray my trust. If I tell a friend something in confidence, I expect it to stay private. Trust is so important.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship
    • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

      Sun, April 6, 2008 - 8:26 AM
      i'll often go out of my way to do things on my own rather than ask for help. with friendships i've found that most of my friends from high school have become good time buddies an the only thing we can do together is go out an get drunk. its hard to find things in common with them anymore. i might be a bit too eccentric for them now an have different interests. i had a best friend all through middle an high school that ended up betraying me with a girl but we're still friends now and both wish that hadn't came between us. we'll always have a good connection since we were friends for so long but it'll never exactly be the same. i've always kind of felt like kind of a loner on the outside looking in. sometimes i hate that feeling and other times i love it. i've come to accept it now though and have become more at peace with myself.
      • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

        Mon, April 7, 2008 - 4:08 PM
        I hear you Patrick, I think Aqua moons are very much observers of people and maybe the eccentricity shows itself in terms of interests, I know for me I like people but sometimes the best times i have are when I am reading or studying something that fascinates me, or being online researching things,

        I think Aqua moons are quite different to the norm, being ruled by Uranus and all, I think we can be a bit out there for most people to really understand.

        That is pretty good of you to forgive your friend re the betrayal, but that is typical of the detachment of the Aqua moon. I guess it sees the big picture of life and situations and isnt the petty type.
        • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

          Wed, April 16, 2008 - 12:17 AM
          ""I think Aqua moons are very much observers of people and maybe the eccentricity shows itself in terms of interests, I know for me I like people but sometimes the best times i have are when I am reading or studying something that fascinates me, or being online researching things, """

          Ditto...sometimes..i feel guilty about this...That i prefer to observer rather than interact...But its true..i feel most content alone...creating and learning..the more i read about others with Aquarius moon ,the more..i see it as a trend amongst us..
          Peace
          Love light
          Theresa
          • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

            Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:42 PM
            Tatriel

            you said Ditto...sometimes..i feel guilty about this...That i prefer to observer rather than interact...


            yep I have felt giulty about that also. People think there is something wrong with you if you dont wish to socialise as much as them, which I personally find annoying.
  • Better in a group?

    Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:50 AM
    Do people feel that they're better in a group/organization setting than in a purely social setting?

    This could also pertain to the workplace, like Nexus7 brought up in the beginning
    of this topic--especially if your workplace is one where people have to work as a team.

    I definitely think that I am. I guess in a group/organization, I feel like my "role" is defined for
    me. Socializing gives me a lot of anxiety sometimes. Though I think partly this is because
    I've become more empathic following some heavy emotional stuff in the past year and a half,
    and I tend to pick up peoples' emotions more than I want, usually their negative emotions more
    than anything. Sometimes I can even be watching a TV show and pick up way too much of the
    unspoken tension going on (I'm not talking about scripted TV... but like news shows, reality shows,
    etc). The reality shows where there's a lot of very outspoken drama/negative energy don't bother me
    as much, really... since those emotions are expressed so obviously, it's not as uncomfortable... I don't
    feel like I have to "feel" their emotions for them.
    • Re: Better in a group?

      Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:39 PM
      i know the feeling. i find myself changing the channel a lot because of it. i feel like i tend to be affected by other people's emotions more than i would like as well. its nice to be happy because others or happy but it sucks when other people's negatvity can control your mood/emotions/psychological well-being.
      • Re: Better in a group?

        Thu, April 10, 2008 - 10:26 PM
        yeah, it's really rough. i think i'm learning more how to deal with it... and i've recently started taking some natural anti-depressants (st. john's wort and 5-HTP) and that seems to be helping, along with just being conscious about protecting myself from feeling other peoples' bad emotions.

        I really don't find I absorb as much the good emotions... I don't know why. Hmm.

        I'm glad I'm not the only one empathing via television though! lol.
        • Re: Better in a group?

          Fri, April 11, 2008 - 7:20 AM
          i'd like to kno more about what you said about natural anti-depressants. i've heard of stuff like that before but have been skeptical about it.
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            Re: Better in a group?

            Fri, April 11, 2008 - 10:57 AM
            I don't know about eccentricity and being hard to understnad, but I do mis the more 'alternative' maatrix of people I knew in the UK. I did hang pout with a lot of goths here where I am at one time, but some of them were a little too attached to far-right philosophies and outlook for my liking and maybe did not especially want rto have a lot to do with foreigners. But whatever.

            I do think it can be more difficult to make a wide circle of friends as you get older - most couples tendto get a lot more exclusive in their attachments, maybe more exclusive in thepeople they wish to get to know unless, maybe, you end up being part of a church or other kind of movement.

            As for work colleaugues - I am reminded there of the practise Germans have, of using the formal 'Sie' instead of the formal 'you' no matter how close you may be otherwsie and aware of theother's idiosyncracies, or ways. I have met people who say they would never make friends with their colleaugues, whilst recognising how important it is to work with them. They can. after all, be competitirs the next minute and once a valued colleague retires...that is the end of all that wondrful, warm closeness and solidarity once that golden clock is handed over, the handshakes made.
            • Re: Better in a group?

              Tue, April 15, 2008 - 9:17 PM
              As for making friends, there's nothing like a good Uranus transit for that imo. Thinking back, that's when new people have come into my life that have dazzled me. When Uranus was in my 1st or trining my Sun or on my Moon and then Mars are times when I can remember important people coming into my life. Uranus rules my 3rd, and I lived on my Uranus line until 2.5 yrs ago.

              I've been studying astrology, am now taking 3 lengthy correspondence courses, and I've never been indoors so much. I've been a hermit. It's okay for the winter, but now I need to get out more. With the N Node in Aq, I'm expecting new people to come in again, at least one or two anyway. Uranus is conjunct my prog Mars now too.

              I went to a lecture given by a famous astrologer who writes books a few weeks ago with an acupuncturist and an art therapist, but it was so boring I had to leave early. I've never done that before. Bored to tears. Chiron is conjunct my Moon at the moment, hence the healer friends lol.

              As for not being able to ask for emotional help from friends, I'm like that too with certain people. Like when I was going through an angular Pluto transit I withdrew because it would've been a burden to dump on my friends who are fun lovers. I didn't want to bring them down. I ended up attracting a few new friends who were much older and had counseling degrees, one a Pisces, which those women seemed to have a need to be of service to their friends. They made me feel comfortable and in fact encouraged me to open up. So that was very nice. I've done that for others too.
          • Re: Better in a group?

            Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:16 PM
            I take St. John's Wort and 5-HTP, both plant-derived anti-depressants. St. John's Wort is proven to work, and it's heavily prescribed in Germany. I think it's not so much here in the U.S. because everything is so driven by profit, and the pharmaceutical companies know they can't make big bucks off of St. John's Wort, you know?

            Anyway... you should try them. It can't hurt. It doesn't cause anything drastic to happen, but I do notice that I don't want to sleep as often (my depressive mechanism of escape I guess--I'm a "hypersomniac") and that I am able to deal better with negative emotions.

            I've never tried anything like Prozac or any anti-depressant that calls for a prescription (I've always been too scared of those ), so I can't compare the effectiveness, i guess, but these seem to work for me, and they're both cheap and natural (both of which I like a lot!).
      • Re: Better in a group?

        Wed, April 16, 2008 - 12:10 AM
        ""i know the feeling. i find myself changing the channel a lot because of it. i feel like i tend to be affected by other people's emotions more than i would like as well. its nice to be happy because others or happy but it sucks when other people's negatvity can control your mood/emotions/psychological well-being.""

        BA BOOM!!...I fully empathize with you on that one...:):)
        ive been battling with just this recently..

        Peace
        Theresa
  • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

    Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:16 PM
    For me I have found that I attract deep connections with people or no friendship at all. It seems to go in extremes like that.

    I do have Pluto in the 11th house so this could explain this phenonmenon in my life.

    With Aqua moon in the 4th house and Scorpio rising I tend to find that I go through times when I have minimal friendships as I have always been a loner to an extent.

    It can be difficult but I find other ways to satisfy my time and as an artist i get very absorbed and focused with my work and spreading my energy too thin with too many different people tends to deplete my energy. I have had very close friendships over the years with a select few ( and usually they are loners too)
    I think with Scorpio Rising, and Aqua Moon in 4th house its a combination of a loner. I do have Sun in Taurus in the 7th house which I see as my wonderful relationship with my partner, and we do spend lots of time together so Im not a complete loner :)

    I chat to a lot of people online and sometimes I like the distance
    • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

      Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:19 PM
      ( opps I didnt finish my sentence - thats what happens when you are at working and multitasking :)

      I chat to a lot of people online and sometimes I like the distance of being online but communicating information through the medium of the internet is fun for me. With no strings attached.
    • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

      Thu, April 10, 2008 - 10:30 PM
      yeah, i like internet communication, too. I used to instant message a lot, though I don't so much anymore.

      I'm really glad i found tribe though... because before this I didn't really have anyone to talk to about astrology stuff in depth...
      my "real life" friends just think it's funny up to a point, and annoying/weird after that point. ;) Which is fine with me, I think some
      of the things they think are important/interesting are silly, too... and I respect their disinterest and don't force astrology talk on them.

      But it *is* nice to have people here who willingly talk about it, for sure. :)
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      Re: The role friendship plays for you...

      Sun, June 29, 2008 - 11:15 AM
      Wow, i just came across this post and can relate to most of what all of you are saying. I have taurus sun, scorpio rising, aqua moon. I feel like 3 different people. As these are all fixed signs I hate change and I am very stubborn. I feel like a true taurus most of the times, loving harmony, beauty, nature, down to earth, very practical, determined. But I also feel very psychic sometimes like i can pick up on others emotions and predict what is going to happen. its a gift and a curse. I can mostly always look at people and tell you their entire story, i guess thats scorpio rising. But i have to admit i have never had a best friend. At least not one in a conventional sense like most girls do. I have always had tons of friends and dont have a problem making them, but i have never felt completely connected to only one. I prefer being with groups of my girl friends but always feel like an outsider to some extent. almost like i am apart of the group but never fully agree with things they do or say. Sometimes i find myself saying "are you for real" to myself in my head, like i know all of their defense mechanisims. i love talking to people others wouldnt necessarily find interestng and older people. I often feel different emotions. when im in a group setting, i often get anxiety and want to leave (this is most recent since my early 20's) but when im home alone i sometimes feel lonely. if i do i start doing some type of activity to occupy my time (some taurus activity or astrology) i must admit i love close relationships with the opposite sex, i actually feel like i can be myself more with men than with my female friends. and i am close with my boyfriend, i love spending time with him, more than with my girl friends and sometimes i feel guilty about that. It was the same with my last boyfriend except he was a loser. i often feel like people let me down. I think this is all 3 of my major signs, as i am very dependable (taurus) but i think people feel intimidated by me sometimes because i appear aloof and have scorpio rising. if they only knew what i was thinking!
      • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

        Tue, May 5, 2009 - 9:36 AM
        This is a question that is still on my mind a bit. Comes of being in a place where 'social life' comes a very poor second to 'W.O.R.K' and 'family. And where there is social life, it only ever seems to be about the search to pair off. And 'friends' can get forgotten about altogether once the great Mr Right is discovered.

        Someone told me that there is also a tendency to only cultivate friends where there is some kind of 'interest' involved: in other words, the returning of favours, making contacts.

        Otherwise, the ol other relly feinly people Ihave met have been born-agains in one form or another! - no, to be fair, one of my bosses puts on a few parties occasionally.

        How do you fit into your imediate community?
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          Re: The role friendship plays for you...

          Tue, May 5, 2009 - 10:25 AM
          That's disturbingly true, now that you mention it.

          The nicest and most caring people I meet are born again christians.

          Weird, in this aquarian moon tribe I feel more like everyones on the same wavelength than the capricorn moon tribe I've also joined.
          • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

            Tue, May 5, 2009 - 10:30 AM
            Perhaps you had beter check your chart.....
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              Re: The role friendship plays for you...

              Tue, May 5, 2009 - 10:34 AM
              may 8th 1985......

              Says Capricorn moon everywhere. I wonder if my mum just got it wrong and I was actually born May 10th or something...

              Then again, slap a silly little tache on my face and brush my hair to the side and I do actually look a bit like hitler
              • Re: The role friendship plays for you...

                Tue, May 5, 2009 - 10:52 AM
                Well - I tookj the liberty of having a quick peek at your chart and something I do notice - Uranus, Aquarius's ruler, opposes your Ascendant, in the 7th House.

                Your hero - or villain, - had it tucked behind his Ascendant, in the12th.

                The 7th House can describe the kind of people you may gravitate to. So that could be why you might feel at home here.

                But why Aquarius Moons, in particular? - that I canot divine right now.
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                  Re: The role friendship plays for you...

                  Tue, May 5, 2009 - 12:27 PM
                  I don't think that Aquarius moons are the best or anything. I just joined this tribe because I wanted to talk about stuff.

                  In terms of outlook on life, Aquarius is generally the one I relate to the most. This probably why I don't enjoy London.

                  London is a very Capricorn sort of place. Work hard, work some more, repress emotions. Rarely get in relationships but the relationships last a long time. I don't admire this lifestyle.

                  However, California and other parts of America have a very Aquarian lifestyle. Free thinking, anti-conformism, bohemian, outstanding, maybe a bit aloof but social. This is something I can respect.
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                    Re: The role friendship plays for you...

                    Tue, May 5, 2009 - 12:42 PM
                    All work and no play in London? I suppose it might depend on your job. And the UK has changed a lot since I left, I suspect. Good old Blair got all the artists and the alternatives signed up on his worf-for-your-dole schemes. Thanks but no thanks.

                    Sounds like Budapest, too. I lived in Brighon for 2 years before winding up here, sill miss a lot of things tere, but surprisingly, there was a real dog-eat-dog side to the place I deplored, too.

                    I had fantasies for years of being part of Swinging London, but it is the terrible weather and horrendous transport sytem I notice now.

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